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advice for dieters
i'm ready for my close up mr demille
post two fo the day and it's not even 11am:

actually, i'm just gonna pimp out another person's journal.... some of my LJ friends are on various workout and diet regimines... i will be honest with you folks... i grew up with an overweight mom who for the better part of 3 decades went on various diets and work out programs with no success... so, i'm a little skeptical when friends and what-not say "i'm gonna do it this time! really!" etc etc... call me cynical, but i've heard and seen it all before....

that's not to say that it won't eventually be conquered... why did my mom fail so much? for several reasons: she wasn't serious, she was doing "fad" diets, she would "cheat" on a vacation or because it was "the holidays" and lose whatever ground she had gained then give up before doing the next diet.... but eventually, she did get serious... i'm proud to announce that my mom has lost over 60 pounds in the past year and half... with a goal of losing 100 pounds.... but she got serious about it and practical about it... she stopped with the Atkins-come-latelys and developed a practical calorie-intake vs. calorie burning/weight training regimine and stuck to it...

so here comes the pimping part:
lenaris recently wrote a no-bullshit journal entry about these things... infomercials and commercials for diet plans, supplements, and exercise equipment all try to make their various programs seem so easy and simple: like magic!.. this is not reality folks... even the low carb diets, with all of its success stories is meant to be a way to get weight off quickly, not a long term lifestlye choice... it's understanding the long-term needs in terms of exercise and diet (which varies from person to person) which keeps weight off and bodies trim... lenaris' story is one of success, but hard work... this is why, even though lenaris's story doesn't apply to me personally in any way, i was drawn in by the practical and quality advice that is there... i've been blessed with a metabolism where I haven't had to worry about my weight... and as lazy as I am, if I got fat I'd probably just be "well fuck it".... because i know it' s a lot of hard work and i have the utmost admiration for anyone who can do it...

i guess i'm pointing people to go read this because for those of you who think you're serious, maybe you'll realize you're not... or maybe it'll drive home that you really are and further motivate you.... and its ok if you fail again... alcoholics and addicts go through periods of soberness and falling off wagons in cycles before kicking habits forever... i've always kinda viewed weight loss in the same light... it is a concsious, life-altering decision to change the manner in which you live FOREVER... if you have a problem with weight and think you can drop it, then go back to eating pizzas and cheeseburgers, you're not serious... it sucks you have that proclivity, but it's the hand you're dealt, just the like the alcoholic who can never have another drink... "just this one" leads to "just another one"... the slippery slope of cheating as lenaris calls it

people with addicition talk a lot about denial, but the other side of that is acceptance: accepting that things change, forever, from now on... have you accepted that? or are you still beliving in magic?

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what's weird?

how dare you leave cryptic responses in my journal ;-)

let me explain why this is weird:
first, and you knew this was coming...just having seen your mom go through it does NOT make you a first hand understander of the struggle with weight. i know drug addicts, i know one drug addict REALLY well, but i can't say that i understand her struggle.

i am skeptical of people who are skeptical of people putting a positive spin on their goals. yeah, i have said "i'm really gonna do it this time" and failed...miserably. but like you said, failure is a part of the we learn what DOESN'T work. i've learned not to tell people allt he time that i am going on this diet or that diet because it backfires and they begin to "be skeptical" of your intentions. but i ALWAYS tell myself "you're gonna do it this time." i mean, what else am i going to say? "you fat slob, you can try but you're going to fail and you know it!" believe me, i say things like that to myself enough, and most likely, that opinion of myself is probably a big portion of what got me here in the first place. anytime i see an opportunity to encourage myself, i think its positive and helpful to take it. i don't expect or ned pats on the back from anyone else, but trying is the only way to succeeed.

your post (and all of this taken with my defensive grain of salt) seems to suggest that serious people are successful and that those who aren't successful are less serious or care less. SO NOT TRUE! it borders on offensive to have it suggested that i don't take this seriouslysimply because i am still fat. its as serious to me as a heart attack. literally. unsuccessful dieters do NOT all believe that they can go back to pizza and cheeseburgers. and its not like alcohol. not really. alcoholics do not need alcohol. they are not expected to consume alcohol. overweight people, for one, are not all addicted to food. but even if they are, its an addiction that also keeps them alive. imagine being addicted to water or air, expected to cut back on the air you like, but hang out in a big room full of all the good air. imagine trying relaly hard not to breathe it, even though its right there. food faces us our entire lives. alcoholics don't go to bars or parties serving alcohol because they avoid the temptation to be successful. i can't avoid a gorcery store, a restaurant, or the first grader who just came to my room with donuts for his birthday.

lenaris has a great list that really worked for her. but the most important thing on her list is the first thing...find what works for YOU.

all of us fat people are doing our best to fit into the world and smaller pants. if we could manage to squeeze into the world better, the size of our pants wouldn't matter so much and would probably start diminishing on its own and i firmly believe that.

and mostly, i just think this is a weird topic for you to post about.

Magic here. I hate hard work. I'm banking on some doctor eventually concocting a pill that does all the work for you. Like phen-phen, but with less heart attacks.

Until then, I'll utter the phrase "fuck it" in between bites of pizza.

heh, i love all those exercise machine commercials where just 5 minutes a day will melt away all the pounds!

i'm waiting for the day someone devises a plan where you just THINK about it....

but i'm like you, i'm way too lazy...i've put on about 15 pounds in the past year... and i'm certianly nowhere near fat, but it has me thinking, well if i do keep putting on weight what am i gonna do about it?

heh, i know i'll do nothing.... i'm too lazy and unmotivated and in general i don't place much importance on my physical appearance or health now, so i don't see that putting on weight would be any different... fuck it, pass the gravy

I realized, after calculating the calories for a can of Mountain Dew, that I consumed 6000 calories a week in soda alone. That is three complete recommended of caloric intake.

Needless to say, I switched to diet soda (Diet Cherry Coke is the only one I really like).

love love love diet cherry coke!!!

And to lose a pound you have to burn 3500 more calories than you take in, so just cutting out those soda calories has to have a big effect.

Try as I may, though, I still have to have a regular soda every now and then. Blegh.

And... just one more thing (because I'm anal and oh, bitchy hehe).

You say "i guess i'm pointing people to go read this because for those of you who think you're serious, maybe you'll realize you're not."

It seems odd to me that on the one hand you want to encourage people to become serious about losing weight, but on the other you seem to imply that anyone who's trying to lose weight is not serious, but just "thinks" that they are. You don't seem to have much faith in us fatties, which really isn't any big news to us (you know, that people wouldn't have faith in us).

see previous comment to justamy about the erroneous logic of the converse statement.... i never meant to imply that at all..

the second part of that statemnt you left out was "or maybe it'll drive home that you really are and further motivate you"... obviously everyone who is dieting/exercising is one or the other or somehwere in between... i figure this discussion will do one of those two things... make someone wake-up who is really just going through the motions and a revolving door of fad diets, or just further fuel someone who already is serious and motivated...

once you challenge someone to think about their beliefs, they immediately question them... and one of two things happens, they modify them if new information is made avaialble for them to consider or their belief is further strengthened by the re-examination.... this was my only purpose

Well then I challenge your belief that you need to preach to people about weight-loss, so go re-examine. You're not Richard Simmons (who actually WAS very overweight at one time, thus having the ability to know what it's like). Maybe you think you're helping, but mostly you just come off as condescending and irritating. I agree that fad diets are not the answer. I kind of think you expected and wanted people to respond defensively to this post... so I guess you got your wish. How's that for magic.

(p.s. i'm not really as mad as it may seem, just a mite annoyed at the skinny boy with the good metabolism preaching about how to get serious about weight loss).

i used to weigh 270lbs and now i'm down to 160 and still losing. i don't diet. i completely changed my lifestyle. as far as i'm concerned, if you've made it up past the 250 mark (and you're not some body builder of some sort) it is going to require a lifestyle change. not a temporary diet.

and excercise. the shit just won't fall off, i will tell you that much. if all you can do is walk ten minutes a day to start, then do it. expect it took take years and years and years to get the results you want.

if that is discouraging to you then you're not looking at the long-term, which is the only way to deal with something like a weight problem. (this is just my personal opinion of course.)

that being said - i disagree that you should completely cut out foods you love and never eat them again. fuck that, life is short. eat smaller portions of your favourite foods and less frequently. taking them away when you really love food will just make you depressed.

it's not the same for everyone. some people do have to be drastic.. but what it comes down to is definitely a lifestyle change.

wow... you haven't commented in my journal in a LOOOONG time... and you weighed (ack, bad pun) in to AGREE with me for the most part... :)

i think people are misunderstanding me... i'm glad you understand it (of course, you've lost 110 lbs :)... not that being fat means you're not serious... but that if you are going to succeed, you have to be serious and that is is a major lifestyle change....

although you did harp on the whole alcoholic thing... i didn't mean for that to be taken so literally, but figuratively, that like hte alcoholic, it is a commitment to changing the way you live, forever, no if's and's or but's...

obviously food is not like alcohol... one can make an exception and work it off later... i think it just depends on the individual... some people cheat once, then they cheat again, etc etc... like smoking... i know people who can smoke a cigarette socially without it becoming a habit... i hate those people, but, more power to them.... i know if i ever quit smoking it has to be an all or nothing thing... i've tried the "one every now and then" approach and it always leads back to the habit....

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate it. I do honestly belive that being overweight is ultimately a choice each person makes (be it conscious or un). Some of us have to actively fight being that way more than others, but at the end of the day, I am 279.5 instead of my goal weight that I should have attained years ago because I liked food more than I liked being thinner. I may never get to that place, and ultimately that's okay too. But I want to try and at the very least hold my position. I don't think fat people are bad people, but I do think this is the choice that we've made. Let's just be up front about it and admit it instead of blaming other things (If you have a real honest-to-god metabolic problem, that's another thing-- but that ain't most people.) . I'm not really motivated too much by vanity (hell who isn't motivated by vanity to some degree?) But I have high blood pressure and other risk factors in my family and I told myself a few years ago I didn't want to go out like that at an early age. That's what gets me to the gym and keeps my hands out of the cookie jar these days.

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